2024 - 25 赛季 NBA 最有价值球员讨论楼（第四部分：谁会是 MVP？）

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@scrabbarista

Still Jokic for me. There was a one or two day window - I think in January or whenever Jokic missed some games - when I had SGA, but, as of now, it's still Jokic for me.

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我还是站约基奇。有那么一两天——我记得大概是一月份约基奇缺阵那会——我还觉得亚历山大行，但现在嘛，我还是选约基奇。

@tsherkin

Tight race. Two very deserving potential winners. I'm hoping for Jokic.

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这竞争太激烈啦！这俩都有实力拿 MVP。我嘛，希望约基奇能赢。

I dunno, we'll see what the Jalen Williams injury does for this whole situation.

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我也说不准，看看杰伦·威廉姆斯受伤这事会对局势有啥影响吧。

@Jurassic_Park

Is there anything that can change for you to make it sga? There are only 20 games left and sga will probably rest the final few make the win/loss record even closer at the end.

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啥情况能让你转而支持亚历山大啊？就剩 20 场比赛了，亚历山大估计最后几场还得轮休，到时候胜负差距可能更小了。

For anyone that has jokic now. I can’t see how that changes. LeBron is out. Den will stay as the 2 seed

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现在支持约基奇的人，我觉得很难改变心意了。詹姆斯都伤停了，掘金稳坐第二。

@scrabbarista

Not likely, but certainly possible. Not like Jokic can just miss a bunch of games and still be ahead.

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不太可能，但也不是没可能。约基奇总不能缺阵好多场还能领先吧。

But by now we pretty much know who these guys are. If they play a similar number of games going forward, I'll probably still have Jokic.

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但现在咱也大概知道他俩啥水平了。要是接下来他俩上场场次差不多，我估计还是选约基奇。

@EmpireFalls

I really hope SGA wins just because it follows the logical progression of how the award has almost always gone.

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我真心希望亚历山大能赢，因为这才符合 MVP 奖项的一贯走向嘛。

@Exp0sed

hypothetically, record can still matter in a potential finals vs. the Cavs so i'm not that sure OKC will rest their main guys, maybe a couple of games at the end if it wouldn't matter anymore. SGA played like 34 mpg a game this season, not like he's worn out. he's clearly very focused on competing and on the MVP race and he's young, I'm betting he'd actually want to play as much as he can. this is a historic season, he must be on a hell of a ride and i'm sure he'd prefer to keep that going

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从理论上讲，要是和骑士队在总决赛碰面，战绩还是有点用的。所以我不太确定雷霆会不会让主力轮休，可能最后几场无关紧要的比赛会让他们歇一歇。亚历山大这赛季场均打 34 分钟，看着也不累啊。他明显一心想竞争，想拿 MVP，而且他还年轻，我赌他肯定想多打比赛。这赛季太疯狂了，他肯定想继续保持这势头。

@Exp0sed

I don't care who wins it either way, I think both are very deserving and u can't go wrong with either but despite thinking Jokic has had the (slightly) better and more impressive and impactful season thus far of the two, I still also have SGA simply because of tradition, like u say - because it's the way it's always been awarded.

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谁赢我都无所谓，他俩都配得上 MVP。虽说我觉得约基奇这赛季表现（稍微）更好、更惊艳、影响力更大，但我还是选亚历山大，就因为传统嘛，就像你说的，这奖一直都这么颁的。

i get why ppl want to "get with the times", especially now when he have so many more analytical tools in our disposoal that weren't available and weren't part of the discourse in previous eras - it def makes alot of sense but I guess I just don't like change, I like it when things stay the way they are, so it's SGA for me as well

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我明白为啥有人想“与时俱进”，尤其是现在咱们有那么多以前没有的数据分析工具，这确实挺有道理的。但我就是不喜欢改变，我就喜欢按老规矩来，所以我也选亚历山大。

@Exp0sed

how can the J-Dub injury affect the race?

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杰伦·威廉姆斯受伤会对 MVP 竞争有啥影响啊？

@tsherkin

Impact on team outcomes will change how voters approach the two.

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对球队战绩的影响会改变投票者对他俩的看法。

EDIT: And Shai might go off like a bomb as a scorer.

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补充：而且亚历山大可能会像炸弹一样开启得分模式。

@EmpireFalls

Life if anything I think Jokic is getting the opposite of voter fatigue. People are making up and changing standards to give him the award, if anything.

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要说啊，我觉得约基奇不但没让投票者审美疲劳，反而有人为了给他这个奖，都开始瞎改评判标准了。

@Bornstellar

It's a tossup but I lean Jokic. He simply does far more with far less. SGA is having a historically good season himself too and in most years he'd be the obvious MVP.

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这还真不好说，但我更倾向约基奇。他能用有限的资源干出更多的事。亚历山大这赛季表现也堪称历史级，换做大多数年份，他拿 MVP 妥妥的。

That being said I can almost guarantee, absent SGA sustaining a season ending injury in the next game thus excluding him from the race or the Nuggets going on a ridiculous tear to end the season while Jokic puts up video game numbers, SGA is going to be the MVP. The media is not going to hand Jokic his 4th MVP unless they absolutely have to

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话虽这么说，我几乎可以保证，除非亚历山大下一场就赛季报销无缘竞争，或者掘金队最后疯狂连胜，约基奇打出逆天数据，不然 MVP 肯定是亚历山大的。媒体不到万不得已，不会给约基奇第四个 MVP 的。

@Exp0sed

yeah, Shai going off is true I hadn't thought of that but if they drop a few more games because they're missing their 2nd best player..I mean, I don't think that would affect anyone's vote, that's just reality, no?

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是啊，亚历山大爆发这事儿我还真没想到。但要是因为少了二当家，他们再输几场……我觉得这也影响不了大家投票，现实就是这样，对吧？

@canada_dry

What has shyne injury to one of SGA's teammates this year done? Absolutely nothing.

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亚历山大队友今年受伤这事儿有啥影响？屁影响没有。

Business as usual. Its one of his best cases for why he is deserving of mvp.

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一切照旧。这也是他配得上 MVP 的有力证据之一。

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@QPR

It doesn't really mean that because SGA isn't sitting while other teams have their starters/strongest line - ups in.

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这说明不了啥，因为人家其他队上最强阵容的时候，亚历山大可没歇着。

@Special_Puppy

The Anomaly, the Shamrock Samurai, Taco T. He simply has much more aura than SGA or Jokic

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那个“怪咖”，“三叶草武士”，塔科·T。他的气场可比亚历山大和约基奇足多了。

@Special_Puppy

Just because voters have put a heavy emphasis on team record in the past doesn’t mean we should care very much about it now. Team record really did probably reveal hidden truths that weren’t immediately obviously from surface level stats. 1962 MVP race is a good example of this. Wilt famously lost MVP that season even though he averaged 50 PPG because Russell’s Celtics were by far the best team in the league. I really do think that taking team record into account there made the result more accurate as box score stats didn't fully pick up the impact of Russell’s defense or Wilt’s lack of creation. That really isn’t the case anymore with the far wider variety of tools available to us to measure individual impact. They would have been able to do a far better job to measuring Russell’s defense or Wilt’s relative lack of offensive lift. Thus it makes sense that team record should take far less precedence now. Which isn’t to say that SGA isn’t the MVP. His individual impact arguably outpaces Jokic this season according to some metrics

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过去投票的人很看重球队战绩，但这不代表咱们现在也得这么在意。球队战绩以前确实能反映一些表面数据看不到的真相。1962 年的 MVP 之争就是个好例子。威尔特场均 50 分还拿不到 MVP，就因为拉塞尔的凯尔特人是联盟最强的球队。我真心觉得把球队战绩考虑进去，结果会更准确，毕竟当时的数据统计没法完全体现拉塞尔的防守作用，也看不出威尔特组织能力的不足。但现在不一样了，咱们有那么多工具来衡量个人影响力。要是放在现在，肯定能更好地评估拉塞尔的防守和威尔特进攻组织的不足。所以现在球队战绩没那么重要了。但这不是说亚历山大就不是 MVP 了。按某些数据来看，他这赛季的个人影响力可能还超过约基奇呢。